Tag Archives: Rob Probert

Clippings of Robbie Probert the Candlestick Maker

Standard
Clippings of Robbie Probert the Candlestick Maker

 

13245314_10154006779546886_8653039285490443727_n (2).jpg

Ted LeMaistre Mayor of CP- Ginny Huether-Harry Probert and Rob Probert- Opening of their store across from the town hall.

 

img.jpg

 

 

Image may contain: 2 people, people smiling, people standing, tree, outdoor and nature

Saw your posting about Rob Probert and thought I would send you this picture of his Mom and Dad, Harry and Dorothy Probert and Bill’s Mom, Winn Flint.-Carole Flint

Ray Paquette--Harry Probert, Robbie’s father, was an interesting man in his own right. Following the death of the Avro Arrow in 1959, Harry, whose job “evaporated” in the fall out from that decision, moved to Carleton Place. Many an evening was spent in the Olympia with Weldon Armour explaining to us the impact that the loss of A.V. Roe Limited had on the technical and scientific community in Canada. The “brain drain” that followed ensured that John Kennedy’s challenge to reach the moon “…before the end of the decade was achieved…”

 

No automatic alt text available.

 

471294_0.jpg

Comments

Janice Tennant Campbell– His store and Remembrance Gift Shop were the two best places to buy a gift.

Linda Gallipeau-Johnston– Loved Robbie’s store!!

Livia Haasper– Absolutely. Loved the store. Too many of the nice stores gone. I’ve seen them come and go.

Lynne Johnson– They made beeswax candles. The ladies in town got employment from the Probert’s rolling the candles.

Jeremy Stinson– I remember when my grandfather did his ‘book tour’, the Carleton Place stop was at Proberts.

Ray Paquette– Robbie began his candle making at a young age, possibly around 12, at his home at the corner of McCrostie and Joseph Streets. When his small cottage industry took off, he moved downtown to the former Patterson Furniture Store at the bridge..

Joann Voyce I have an original honeycomb wax candle on a carved wooden Maple leaf which was made by Harry Probert back in the 1960’s

Wendy LeBlanc Loved that store! However, when cleaning out closets recently, I came across one of Rob’s lovely reversible wrap skirts that I bought a couple of decades ago. It is marked OSFA – One Size Fits All. I want my money back, Rob!

 

1234258_594333067290258_628579351_n.jpg

The Municipal Heritage Committee of Carleton Place was pleased to present the first in a series of historical plaques describing local heritage buildings to Angelo Seccaspina, owner of Greystones, the former Mississippi Hotel building. Pictured left to right are Bernard deFrancesco, Chair, Robert Probert, Councilor Representative,
Jennifer Irwin, Manager of the Carleton Place & Beckwith Heritage Museum and Angelo Seccaspina– 2013

 

 - Robbie Probert, The Candlestick Maker, has some...

Clipped from The Ottawa Journal,  29 May 1980, Thu,  Valley Edition,  Page 44

robww

So What is Up With Roy Brown Park?

Standard
So What is Up With Roy Brown Park?

CPMM_trail2___Gallery.jpg

Photo-InsideOttawaValley.com 2015

First trail in Roy Brown Park officially open

Rob Probert posted this November 14th, 2017 

 

Roy Watson asked:

Rob – query about Roy Brown Park. is publicity on the back burner? Has the park been officially opened? Seems it was skipped on 1 July? I walk/bike along there and it is a great route, the dog park is getting minimal use though but I see the additional route along the river is almost completed. So my query is, why isn’t this park part of Remembrance Ceremonies.

There are remembrance plaques for Passendale and Vimy which are constantly in the news. Maybe we should consider at least wreath laying at these plaques and given that they are within walking distance of the CPHS, three public schools and the Navy League (Sea Cadets) surprised they cannot incorporate visits to this park. I would think that local sea cadets could visit and provide wreaths during this period or for that matter air force cadets from Smiths Falls (i.e., Roy Brown WW1). Perhaps a little late this year but consideration for future ceremonies.

So, what is going on with Roy Brown park and why are so few of us enjoying it???? Of note; during the last open house I went to the Moore house and asked about the official opening and the person on the desk didn’t even know there was a park or where it was. I had to point it out on the map ! Roy Watson

 

Rob Probert replies: 

These are all good points raised by Roy. Neither I, nor the Roy Brown Society are in charge of this project but I think I can provide some useful info.

The original formal opening was scheduled for July 1st. That day was a complete washout, as was much of the summer. Invited guests were present and it was unfortunate. I do believe that the parks and rec staff who are in charge of this park and the development decided that they may as well try to complete the rest of the trail development scheduled for this year. I know the conversation of another formal opening has been discussed and perhaps an opportunity was in fact lost in this Nov. 11.
It could have been a suitable date. Unfortunately none of the Roy Brown family were available and work has still been ongoing.  In any case, on behalf of the Roy Brown Society, I did, along with the town’s parks dept. and the staff of Carleton Place and Beckwith Heritage Museum collaborate to name the trails and come up with the images and wording on the entrance pavilions’ info panels. I do agree that publicity and constant information should be developed.

I have some other simple ideas that I think would make the historical part of the park resonate. These ideas are not yet presented so I won’t go into detail now. I think the suggestions of a wreath laying at this time of year is a great suggestion, especially as more people begin to use the park.

The Roy Brown Society is somewhat focused at the moment on a project to build a commemorative statue of Roy Brown. It will be paced beside the Moore House. There is already close to $75,000.00 in cash and supporting services committed to the project and about another $100,000.00 needed.

As to the staff at the Moore House visitor center I can’t comment specifically but will reach out to make sure that they are better informed.


I hope this helps a bit with your thought, Again all good points and ideas.

Thumbs Up to the Red Baron-Thumbs Down to Roy Brown –National War Museum

Standard

tumblr_mv2slpbSPC1qeu6ilo1_400.jpg

Today I read an Ottawa Citizen article on the Lanark County Genealogical Society’s  Facebook page about the Canadian War Museum providing Major-General Sir Isaac Brock’s coat to help a Grade 8 student’s history project. This is a fantastic way to get our youth to study history, so why can’t Carleton Place’s very own war hero Roy Brown be in the Canadian War Museum too so some student can borrow one of his artifacts?

“We do not have anything on display,” said Avra Gibbs-Lamey media relations officer of the Canadian War Museum in a past newspaper article.

Now let me check some facts off: there are airports, schools and military bases named after him. We have a huge mural on Bridge Street in Carleton Place, yet no artifacts of his are displayed at the Canadian War Museum, and the staff remains mute about the whole subject. Heck, there was even a Hollywood movie made about the incident featuring Don Stroud as Roy Brown, yet Roy Brown’s name remains “an asterix” on the history books.

I am going to be honest and say I had no idea who the First World War pilot was until I moved to Carleton Place.  I write very little about him, as there seem to be endless articles and books, and very few outside the town’s limits understand the significance of what Roy did. But ask anyone who the Red Baron is, aka the German flying ace Manfred Von Richthofen, and everyone would have their hand in the air.

Brown  was the Royal Naval Air Service pilot from Carleton Place, Ontario credited with the victory that resulted in the death of the Red Baron. The Red Baron shot down 80 Allied planes, but the fact that Roy Brown shot him down is disputed all over the world. There was an American witness, but Australia claims it was machine-gun fire from their infantry on the ground that brought Manfred Von Richthofen down. Even in Carleton Place, his hometown, the controversy still hangs in the air.

Von Richthofen and Brown.jpg

At the Royal Canadian Military Institute  in Toronto lies a piece of the triplane’s wing, the actual seat the Red Baron sat in, and a cut out of the plane’s actual iron cross — signed by Brown’s flight crew on display. Roy Brown himself donated it in 1920. So why can’t people come to a conclusion?

As Rob Probert, president of the Roy Brown Society in Carleton Place said,

“As far as we are concerned, it was Roy Brown who shot Von Richthofen down, and it is him who is officially credited.”

So what he is saying is that the other claims are just that. Not proven. For some reason, Canada does not want to give Brown his proper due and he wasn’t even accepted into the Canadian Aviation Hall of Fame until this year. So, I asked Rob Probert last week what his thoughts were:

“Many of us are at a loss as to why the  WWI story of Roy Brown and the Downing of Von Richtoffen ( The Fred Baron) are not represented in some way at all in the National War Museum. While it is not necessarily the Canadian way to boast of military events, this was a very significant battle that did have an impact on the closing out of WWI. Von Richtoffen was very much a German national hero. His downing had a demoralizing effect on their prosecution of the war.

We hope that with some time, and education, we can convince the museum to show some meaningful interest.

While there has been some questioning of the battle, it is, and has been well documented and should be recognized. Brown was officially accredited with and received appropriate honours for this feat. Medical evidence of the day and a variety of credible eyewitnesses all supported the story of Brown being the pilot who downed VonRichtoffen.

One of the goals of the Roy Brown Society is to make sure this story is not lost in time and to promote the other 14 WWI pilots from the Carleton Place area. Many of whom were Aces themselves and had incredible stories and lives post war.

We have been successful this past few years in building a national prominence and in this past year especially there have been several speeches in Parliament recognizing Brown, a wide number of accomplishments in Carleton Place itself, a number oif national newspaper stories and at least 6 radio interviews including CFRB in Toronto. We are especially proud of instigating his successful induction into the Canadian Aviation Hall of Fame this past June. There are three significant events planned this June and July in the Toronto area to commemorate his achievements.

We recently had an American Lt. General of the Air Force visit with us and was shocked to understand how little was known of this man and the true story of the battle. More work to be done.” –Rob Probert Roy Brown Society in Carleton Place, Ontario.

 

 

RELATED READING

Roy Brown — Forgotten War Heroe?

Did Roy Brown Die Before He Killed the Red Baron?

Mystery Solved of Who Killed the Red Baron — Again???

Mister Carleton Place Postman Look and See— Is There a Letter in Your Bag For Me?