Case no. 9 – Marie Fouyol, Parisian wife of Thomas Mansell– Revolutionary France– (Mrs. James Greig of Carleton Place)– Thanks to Susan Courage

https://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/FGB Free Clinic – Case no. 9 – Marie Fouyol, Parisian wife of Thomas Mansell– thanks to reader Susan Courage 

Posted: 15 Jul 2021 04:48 AM PDT

Marie Fouyol

Not so long ago (but longer ago than we should like to admit, we are ashamed to say) we were contacted by Madame J. with a submission for the FGB Free Clinic. She had been able to find little on the origins of her French ancestor, Marie Fouyol, and asked if the FGB could be of help. The following is her summary of her research:

MARIE FOUYOL (c. 1783 – 1872)

Also spelled Fouyolle, Fouillol, Fouillot, Fouyot

Born in France (possibly Paris) c. 1783

1st Marriage: French Officer (widowed – no known name, place or date)

2nd Marriage: Thomas Mansell (also spelled Mencel, Mansall, Mansill)

– no known place or date of marriage

See below re Thomas Mansell.

Died: 2 October 1872 in Westmeath, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

Marie had four children with Thomas Mansell

Three were born in Paris (all baptised at St Jacques du Haut Pas) and one was born in Canada (Thomas Alfred in 1821). Links to the childrens’ Paris baptismal records are here:

• Baptismal entry at St Jacques du Haut Pas, Paris, Françoise Joséphine ‘MANCELL’, 13 Nov 1814, 26, https://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/26945/21

• Baptismal entry St Jacques du Haut Pas, Paris, Pierre Georges Alphonse ‘MANSALL’ 9 February 1816, no. 32, p.139, https://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/26945/139

• Baptismal entry St Jacques du Haut Pas, Paris, Jeanne Richard ‘MAUSANN’ (1813-19, p.335/378, https://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/26945/335.

THOMAS MANSELL (Mansill, Mancell, Mansall, Manssall, Mausann, Mencell)

Born: 19 July 1777, Rillington, Ryedale, N. Yorkshire

Parents: George Mansell (1744-1816), a weaver

Frances (Dinsdale) Mansell (1748-1829).

Occupation: Weaver (tisserand, mécanicien)

France – went to France for work sometime before 1801

Detained: 1801-1814 (Dépot de Fontainebleau and Paris)

Left France c. 1819

Emigrated to Canada c.1820

Died: 13 Nov 1852, Ramsay, Ontario, Canada

Madame J. and her sister both had done a great deal of previous research, as evidenced above. Additionally:

They had found that the child born in 1818, Jeanne Richard Mansall, died at the age of six weeks and was buried in Père Lachaise cemetery. (https://tinyurl.com/vkz8f49j)

They had found the family in Canadian census returns of 1861 (and possibly other years; we are waiting on that).

Based on the precise dates above, they would appear to have found the Canadian death registrations for Thomas Mansell and Marie Fouyol Mansell. (We are waiting for those to be sent to us.)

They contacted us previously and we were able to send them the page showing Mansell’s name on a list of prisoners of war, or détenus, held by the French at Fontainebleau in 1803.

They had found an obituary for the surviving daughter of Thomas and Marie, Françoise Joséphine, who married James Grieg in Canada in 1832:

Friday April 3, 1903, The Almonte Gazette p.4: The Late Mrs Jas Greig –

“The Gazette last week mentioned the death of Mrs Jas Greig of Carleton Place, (read-Greig Family — Carleton Place and Ramsay Lanark County) which occurred on the 24th of March, and this week is enabled to give some interesting particulars regarding her life. She was born in Paris, France, in 1811. Her father, Mr Thos Mansell, was an English weaver, who went to France about 1801. Soon thereafter war arose between England and France, and, with hundreds of other Englishmen, he was made a prisoner at Paris and could not escape. He married the widow of a French officer killed in war, and in 1811 their daughter, the late Mrs Grieg, was born. In 1819 Mr Mansell returned to England and Yorkshire, and here their only son, Mr. A.T. Mansell, of Westmeath, now 82 years of age, was born. In 1820 the family came to Canada on the strength of reports sent back from relatives. For four years they lived near Brockville and then settled in Ramsay near Almonte. The father died fifty years ago. The mother some years later. The former was 90 years of age, the latter 75. [reverse seems correct because the 1861 Census for Westmeath ON, lists her mother [Marrey Mensell] as born in France; 78 years of age, which would mean she was born approx. 1783]. Mr and Mrs Grieg were married in 1832. He was a native of Clarkmannshire, Scotland. They came to Carleton Place in 1863. For six years Mr Greig operated the grist mill. Then he retired altogether from business life and for many years the two enjoyed unbroken pleasures. The children living are Peter, James, Andrew, Mrs Jas Cram, Alfred, Mrs John Donaldson, Robert and Christena. The dead are John, Mrs Templeton and Thomas. All the children were present at dinner on the day of the funeral, Robert and James coming from far western States and Mrs Cram from Pilot Mound. The funeral took place on Saturday afternoon, interment being made in the family plot in the 8th line Ramsay cemetery, quite a number going from Almonte to join the cortege, some at Carleton Place and others as it neared the cemetery. Five sons and her son-in-law, Mr Donaldson, were the pall-bearers.”

Josephine Frances Mansell Greig

BIRTH	8 Nov 1811Paris, City of Paris, Île-de-France, France
DEATH	24 Mar 1903 (aged 91)Carleton Place, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
BURIAL	Auld Kirk CemeteryMississippi Mills, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
MEMORIAL ID	52221309 · View Source

Her father

 Thomas Alfred Mansell

was born in Britain

Birth

1777 • Rillington, Yorkshire,England

and her Mother-Mary Jane Routledge

Marriage

abt 1810 • Paris, France

When Thomas married Marie, she was the widow of a French army officer killed in the war.

Mary Jane Routledge

(1782–1872)

• Birth1782 • Paris, Île-de-France, France1 Source1782(AGE)
• Birth of Daughter Frances Josephine Mansell(1811–1903)18 Nov 1811 • Paris, Île-de-France, France181129
• Birth of Son Alfred Thomas Mansell(1821–1907)abt 1821 • Elizabethtown (Athens), Leeds, Ontario, Canada182139
• Death of Husband Thomas Alfred Mansell(1777–1852)13 Nov 1852 • Lanark, Ontario, Canada185270
• Death2 Oct 1872 • Westmeath, Renfrew, Ontario, CanadaAge 90; Widow; of old age

For a number of reasons, this is not an easy case.

The many spelling variants of both names make searches of any indexed records exceedingly tedious and fraught with missed possibilities.

Thomas Mansell was not French, so there will not be  much French documentation about him to link back to Marie Fouyol.

Most of the parish and civil registrations of Paris prior to 1860 were lost in conflagrations; those that were reconstructed from other records were done so by families that remained in France and needed the documentation for one reason or another.

The Mansell-Fouyol family emigrated to Canada and so were unlikely to have bothered to re-establish their French documentation. However, if Marie Fouyol had relatives who remained in France, they may have done so.

The above reasons can help to explain why Madame J and her sister, in spite of their stellar research on various genealogy websites extensively, were not able to find:

A record of the Mansell-Fouyol marriage, whether religious or civil.

A record of Marie Fouyol’s first marriage.

A record of Marie Fouyol’s birth or baptism.

In the next post, analysis of what we have.

©2021 Anne Morddel

French Genealogy

Greig Family — Carleton Place and Ramsay Lanark County

Working in the Grist Mill

The Wilkie Lowry House on Highway 29

The Wilkie Lowry house was owned by my great grandfather, John Fairbairrn Greig, in the 1860sMy great r\andfather, Thomas Campbell Arthur (not MCArthur), married J F Greig’s daughter

Frances Josephine Greig. My grandmother,Jessie Miller Arthur,(Hamilton) was born and grew up in the house as did her eight brothers and sisters. TC. Arthur also ran the Appleton store as dd his uncle Thomas Arthur. Granny was a friend if Mrs Hollie Lowry. I believe they were both members of the ROCKY RIDGE WI. When the Arthurs left the farm they carved there initials on an upstairs window. 2021 marks 200 years since the first of my family arrived in Ramsay. )Robert and Thomas Mansell. Enjoy all your articles,Linda. Thanks so much
Judith Salley

Greig Family — Carleton Place and Ramsay Lanark County

The Gazette last week mentioned the death of Mrs. James Greig of Carleton Place, which occurred on the 24th of March, and this week is enabled to give some interesting particulars regarding her life. She was born in Paris, France, in 1811. Her father, Mr. Thos. Mansell, was an English weaver, who went to France about 1801. Soon thereafter war arose between England and France, and with hundreds of other English­ men, he was made a prisoner at Paris and could not escape. He married the widow of a French officer killed in war, and in 1811 their daughter, the late Mrs. Greig, was bom. In 1819 Mr.Mansell returned to England and Yorkshire, and here their only son Mr. A. T. Mansell, of Westmeath, now 82 years of age, was born.

 In 1820 the family came to Canada on the strength of reports sent back from relatives. For four years they lived near Brockville and then settled in Ramsay, near Almonte. The father died fifty years ago. The mother some years later. The former was 90 years of age, the latter 75. Mr. and Mrs. Greig were married in 1832. He was a native of Clarkmannshire, Scotland. They came to Carleton Place in 1863. 

For six years Mr. Greig operated the grist mill. Then he retired altogether from business- life and for many years the two enjoyed unbroken pleasures. 

The children living are Peter, James, Andrew, Mrs. Jas. Cram Alfred, Mrs. John Donaldson, Rohert and Christena.  The dead are John-Mrs. Templeton and Thomas. All the children were present at dinner on the day of the funeral, Robert and James coming from far western States and Mrs. Oram from Pilot Mound. The funeral took place on Saturday afternoon, interment  family plot in the 8th line Ramsay- cemetery, quite a number going from Almonte to join the cortege, some at Carleton Place and others as it neared the cemetery. Five sons and. her son-in-law were the pallbearers. April 3, 1903

1881 Census

Name:	James Greig
Gender:	Male
Marital status:	Married
Age:	75
Birth Year:	1806
Birthplace:	Scotland
Religion:	Presbyterian
Nationality:	Scotch (Scotish)
Occupation:	Gentleman
Province:	Ontario
District Number:	111
District:	Lanark South
Sub-District Number:	H
Subdistrict:	Carleton Place
Household Members:	NameAgeJames Greig75Francess Greig70Christina Greig22

Friday December 12 1884, The Almonte Gazette p.3:
DEATH OF MR JAMES GREIG – Carleton Place had during the past week been called to mourn over the loss of two of her leading citizens. We chronicled last week the death of Mr A. McArthur, who was soon followed by Mr Jas Greig, father of Mr Thos Greig, barrister, of Carleton Place, and of Mr A.M. Greig, barrister, of Almonte. The deceased gentleman was born in Alloway, Clackmannshire, Scotland, in July, 1806, and removed from thence to Canada in 1830, and settled on a farm in Ramsay, where he continued until 1862. He then removed to Carleton Place, engaging in gristmilling and taking contracts, one of which was the building of the old lockup in this town. The local grist and oatmeal mills were bought by Henry Bredin from Hugh Boulton Jr. They continued to be operated by James Greig (1806-1884), who ran these mills from 1862 to 1868 after the death of Hugh Boulton Sr., founder of this first industry of the community. read-Working in the Grist Mill

Mr Greig finally retired from business in 1868 to enjoy the competency he had earned for himself by industry and frugality. In 1832 he married Frances J. Mansell, who is still living, and by whom he had eleven children – seven sons and four daughters – all of whom are living with the exception of the eldest son, who died about seven years ago. In February last deceased had a apoplectic stroke, from which he never recovered, but was able to be about, although unable to speak. It was however, evident to others that he was gradually failing, and on Friday last he breathed his last, and was buried on Monday in the 8th line cemetery, Ramsay, followed to the grave by a large circle of friends. Mr Greig was a Conservative in politics, though the man generally weighted with him before party. In religion he was a member of the Presbyterian church, and his late pastor, the Rev Mr Scott, officiated at the funeral. The deceased leaves one sister, Mrs Reisland, of Springfield, Illinois, his widow, 10 children, 18 grandchildren & 1 great-grandchild. Carleton Place has suffered lately in the removal by death of vary many of her oldest inhabitants.
courtesy of Gary Byron

Mrs Frances Grieg

Name:	Francess Greig
Gender:	Female
Age:	70
Birth Year:	1811
Birthplace:	France
Religion:	Presbyterian
Nationality:	English
Occupation:	M
Province:	Ontario
District Number:	111
District:	Lanark South
Sub-District Number:	H
Subdistrict:	Carleton Place

Friday March 14 1930, The Almonte Gazette front page / Headline: JUDGE GREIG DEAD
A.M. Grieg Passes in 81st Year Distinguished Citizen Is Remembered For His Public Service
Mayor of Town and Warden of County County Judge In Bruce County Retiring About Three Years Ago
Was Law Partner of Late Judge Jamieson. Had the Distinction of Not having a Single Judgement
Reversed By a Superior Court. Funeral Friday.

Alfred Mansell Greig, late county judge of the County of Bruce, died in the Civic Hospital, on Wednesday, after an illness of some month’s duration. He was in his 81st year. He was born in the township of Ramsay near Almonte, son of the late Mr. and Mrs James Greig. After attending school at home & high school at Carleton Place, he studied law in Perth with the late F.A. Hall & graduated as an solicitor & barrister from Osgoode Hall in 1875. Setting up practice in his old home in the town of Almonte, he formed a partnership with the late Joseph Jamieson, who afterwards became Judge Jamieson of Guelph. After Mr. Jamieson’s elevation to the bench, he was in partnership for some years with the late Harold Jamieson & later took as his partner his only son, Percy A. Greig, who s still carrying on the old business in Almonte. In May, 1915, Mr. Grieg was appointed by the Borden government to the position of junior judge of Bruce county with residence at Walkerton, & held that position until his retirement in 1925. He efficiency filled that position during the 10 years of office, not one judgement of his being reversed by a superior court.

An Active Career
Judge Grieg had a busy career and took a deep interest in all the activities that tended to the welfare of the town of Almonte. He served as town councillor, was reeve for three years and also warden of Lanark county in 1885. Following that he was 3 years mayor of Almonte ad each time by acclamation. During his term as reeve, Almonte’s beautiful town all was erected. He was likewise town treasurer for many years. Mr. Greig was a candidate for the Ontario Legislature in the Conservative interest about 25 years ago but was defeated by a small majority. His church activities included a chairmanship of board of managers and a member of the session of St. John’s Presbyterian church. On the union of St. Andrew’s & St. John’s at Almonte some years ago, he continued as chairman of the board of managers & a member of the session of the United Church. Lodge Associations In fraternal societies, Judge Greig was a member of the I.O.O.F., Sons of Scotland, A.O.U.W. & R.O.F. At the time of his departure from Almonte, he was a director of the Rosamond Memorial Hospital, a position he held since the inception of that institution. He was also a director of the Almonte Rink Company and a member of the curling club. He was predeceased by his estimable wife, Annie M. Neilson Greig, in 1926, & is survived by 1 son & 1 daughter, Eleanor (Mrs Chas. E. Lindsay, of Chicago), also Percy A. Grieg, barrister, Almonte, one grandson, 2 grand-daughters and two sisters, Mrs James Cram, Fort William & Mrs John Steele, Carleton Place. The funeral will take place from the residence of his son, P.A. Grieg, Clyde street, on Friday at 2.30 o/clock to the Auld Kirk Cemetery.
courtesy of Gary Byron

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Working in the Grist Mill

The Wilkie Lowry House on Highway 29

The Wilkie Lowry house was owned by my great grandfather, John Fairbairrn Greig, in the 1860sMy great r\andfather, Thomas Campbell Arthur (not MCArthur), married J F Greig’s daughter

Frances Josephine Greig. My grandmother,Jessie Miller Arthur,(Hamilton) was born and grew up in the house as did her eight brothers and sisters. TC. Arthur also ran the Appleton store as dd his uncle Thomas Arthur. Granny was a friend if Mrs Hollie Lowry. I believe they were both members of the ROCKY RIDGE WI. When the Arthurs left the farm they carved there initials on an upstairs window. 2021 marks 200 years since the first of my family arrived in Ramsay. )Robert and Thomas Mansell. Enjoy all your articles,Linda. Thanks so much
Judith Salley

James Greig was probably born in Carleton Place but newspaper notice of wedding (1896) says “of Cardinal, late of Montreal”. Couple seems to moved to Iowa USA shortly after their marriage but there is some evidence James Greig was in Iowa as early as 1888. James Greig may be the son or nephew of Carleton Place lawyer Thomas Greig (1839-1888) or of Carleton Place bookseller James F. Greig (1831-1876). He may also have been of the same family as Alex E. Greig (b. c1840) of Carleton Place or Ramsay Township who became Dean of the University of Saskatchewan and married Jessie Shaw (c1870-1965)

The Grieg School– The Fire and Mrs. Pearl McCann

 

 

S.S. No. 14 Ramsay – Greig’s School
In 1826, a long building was found on Rea’s lot. Early teachers, Mr. Huggart and Joseph Rea, lived in a house in Greig’s field. James Greig sold one quarter acre on the eighth line, Lot 10, Concession 7, Ramsay for $4.00 and  a frame building was put up. Andrew Greig sold another quarter acre of land in 1878 to enlarge the school grounds. Mrs. Pearl McCann created history when she became the first married female teacher in 1942. When S.S. No. 5 only had 5 pupils, the Board decided to amalgamate the two schools from 1945-1947. In 1963, the school was destroyed by fire and students had to temporarily attend S.S. No. 2 Ramsay. On June 30, 1960, many former students and teachers celebrated the 100th anniversary of the school. In 1970, pupils from S.S. No. 14 moved to Naismith Memorial in Almonte and the school property was sold to Edgar Finlayson for $4,500.

February 1963

 

Come and visit the Lanark County Genealogical Society Facebook page– what’s there? Cool old photos–and lots of things interesting to read. Also check out The Tales of Carleton Place.

Information where you can buy all Linda Seccaspina’s books-You can also read Linda in The Townships Sun andScreamin’ Mamas (USA)

 

 

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