https://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/FGB Free Clinic – Case no. 9 – Marie Fouyol, Parisian wife of Thomas Mansell– thanks to reader Susan Courage
Posted: 15 Jul 2021 04:48 AM PDT
Not so long ago (but longer ago than we should like to admit, we are ashamed to say) we were contacted by Madame J. with a submission for the FGB Free Clinic. She had been able to find little on the origins of her French ancestor, Marie Fouyol, and asked if the FGB could be of help. The following is her summary of her research:
MARIE FOUYOL (c. 1783 – 1872)
Also spelled Fouyolle, Fouillol, Fouillot, Fouyot
Born in France (possibly Paris) c. 1783
1st Marriage: French Officer (widowed – no known name, place or date)
2nd Marriage: Thomas Mansell (also spelled Mencel, Mansall, Mansill)
– no known place or date of marriage
See below re Thomas Mansell.
Died: 2 October 1872 in Westmeath, Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Marie had four children with Thomas Mansell
Three were born in Paris (all baptised at St Jacques du Haut Pas) and one was born in Canada (Thomas Alfred in 1821). Links to the childrens’ Paris baptismal records are here:
• Baptismal entry at St Jacques du Haut Pas, Paris, Françoise Joséphine ‘MANCELL’, 13 Nov 1814, 26, https://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/26945/21
• Baptismal entry St Jacques du Haut Pas, Paris, Pierre Georges Alphonse ‘MANSALL’ 9 February 1816, no. 32, p.139, https://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/26945/139
• Baptismal entry St Jacques du Haut Pas, Paris, Jeanne Richard ‘MAUSANN’ (1813-19, p.335/378, https://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/26945/335.
THOMAS MANSELL (Mansill, Mancell, Mansall, Manssall, Mausann, Mencell)
Born: 19 July 1777, Rillington, Ryedale, N. Yorkshire
Parents: George Mansell (1744-1816), a weaver
Frances (Dinsdale) Mansell (1748-1829).
Occupation: Weaver (tisserand, mécanicien)
France – went to France for work sometime before 1801
Detained: 1801-1814 (Dépot de Fontainebleau and Paris)
Left France c. 1819
Emigrated to Canada c.1820
Died: 13 Nov 1852, Ramsay, Ontario, Canada
Madame J. and her sister both had done a great deal of previous research, as evidenced above. Additionally:
They had found that the child born in 1818, Jeanne Richard Mansall, died at the age of six weeks and was buried in Père Lachaise cemetery. (https://tinyurl.com/vkz8f49j)
They had found the family in Canadian census returns of 1861 (and possibly other years; we are waiting on that).
Based on the precise dates above, they would appear to have found the Canadian death registrations for Thomas Mansell and Marie Fouyol Mansell. (We are waiting for those to be sent to us.)
They contacted us previously and we were able to send them the page showing Mansell’s name on a list of prisoners of war, or détenus, held by the French at Fontainebleau in 1803.
They had found an obituary for the surviving daughter of Thomas and Marie, Françoise Joséphine, who married James Grieg in Canada in 1832:
Friday April 3, 1903, The Almonte Gazette p.4: The Late Mrs Jas Greig –
“The Gazette last week mentioned the death of Mrs Jas Greig of Carleton Place, (read-Greig Family — Carleton Place and Ramsay Lanark County) which occurred on the 24th of March, and this week is enabled to give some interesting particulars regarding her life. She was born in Paris, France, in 1811. Her father, Mr Thos Mansell, was an English weaver, who went to France about 1801. Soon thereafter war arose between England and France, and, with hundreds of other Englishmen, he was made a prisoner at Paris and could not escape. He married the widow of a French officer killed in war, and in 1811 their daughter, the late Mrs Grieg, was born. In 1819 Mr Mansell returned to England and Yorkshire, and here their only son, Mr. A.T. Mansell, of Westmeath, now 82 years of age, was born. In 1820 the family came to Canada on the strength of reports sent back from relatives. For four years they lived near Brockville and then settled in Ramsay near Almonte. The father died fifty years ago. The mother some years later. The former was 90 years of age, the latter 75. [reverse seems correct because the 1861 Census for Westmeath ON, lists her mother [Marrey Mensell] as born in France; 78 years of age, which would mean she was born approx. 1783]. Mr and Mrs Grieg were married in 1832. He was a native of Clarkmannshire, Scotland. They came to Carleton Place in 1863. For six years Mr Greig operated the grist mill. Then he retired altogether from business life and for many years the two enjoyed unbroken pleasures. The children living are Peter, James, Andrew, Mrs Jas Cram, Alfred, Mrs John Donaldson, Robert and Christena. The dead are John, Mrs Templeton and Thomas. All the children were present at dinner on the day of the funeral, Robert and James coming from far western States and Mrs Cram from Pilot Mound. The funeral took place on Saturday afternoon, interment being made in the family plot in the 8th line Ramsay cemetery, quite a number going from Almonte to join the cortege, some at Carleton Place and others as it neared the cemetery. Five sons and her son-in-law, Mr Donaldson, were the pall-bearers.”
Josephine Frances Mansell Greig
|BIRTH||8 Nov 1811Paris, City of Paris, Île-de-France, France|
|DEATH||24 Mar 1903 (aged 91)Carleton Place, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada|
|BURIAL||Auld Kirk CemeteryMississippi Mills, Lanark County, Ontario, Canada|
|MEMORIAL ID||52221309 · View Source|
1777 • Rillington, Yorkshire,England
and her Mother-Mary Jane Routledge
abt 1810 • Paris, France
When Thomas married Marie, she was the widow of a French army officer killed in the war.
- Birth1782 • Paris, Île-de-France, France1 Source1782(AGE)
- Birth of Daughter Frances Josephine Mansell(1811–1903)18 Nov 1811 • Paris, Île-de-France, France181129
- Birth of Son Alfred Thomas Mansell(1821–1907)abt 1821 • Elizabethtown (Athens), Leeds, Ontario, Canada182139
- Death of Husband Thomas Alfred Mansell(1777–1852)13 Nov 1852 • Lanark, Ontario, Canada185270
- Death2 Oct 1872 • Westmeath, Renfrew, Ontario, CanadaAge 90; Widow; of old age
For a number of reasons, this is not an easy case.
The many spelling variants of both names make searches of any indexed records exceedingly tedious and fraught with missed possibilities.
Thomas Mansell was not French, so there will not be much French documentation about him to link back to Marie Fouyol.
Most of the parish and civil registrations of Paris prior to 1860 were lost in conflagrations; those that were reconstructed from other records were done so by families that remained in France and needed the documentation for one reason or another.
The Mansell-Fouyol family emigrated to Canada and so were unlikely to have bothered to re-establish their French documentation. However, if Marie Fouyol had relatives who remained in France, they may have done so.
The above reasons can help to explain why Madame J and her sister, in spite of their stellar research on various genealogy websites extensively, were not able to find:
A record of the Mansell-Fouyol marriage, whether religious or civil.
A record of Marie Fouyol’s first marriage.
A record of Marie Fouyol’s birth or baptism.
In the next post, analysis of what we have.
©2021 Anne Morddel
The Wilkie Lowry house was owned by my great grandfather, John Fairbairrn Greig, in the 1860sMy great r\andfather, Thomas Campbell Arthur (not MCArthur), married J F Greig’s daughter
Frances Josephine Greig. My grandmother,Jessie Miller Arthur,(Hamilton) was born and grew up in the house as did her eight brothers and sisters. TC. Arthur also ran the Appleton store as dd his uncle Thomas Arthur. Granny was a friend if Mrs Hollie Lowry. I believe they were both members of the ROCKY RIDGE WI. When the Arthurs left the farm they carved there initials on an upstairs window. 2021 marks 200 years since the first of my family arrived in Ramsay. )Robert and Thomas Mansell. Enjoy all your articles,Linda. Thanks so much